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IRC Log Agenda:
Meeting Secretary / Minutes
- LFN TAC Chair Election Process Updates
- TF Induction Update
- Community topics for Joint TAC/Board meeting on Dec 12
Needed for a TAC documentation tool: history , concurrent editing, comments
From Brian to Everyone: 07:04 AM
#info Brian Freeman
From rgadiyar to Everyone: 07:04 AM
#info Rajesh Gadiyar Intel
From Catherine Lefevre to Everyone: 07:13 AM
#info ONAP TSC Chair Catherine Lefevre Since I have joined - unclear about role/mission. I thought we will discuss about how to interconnect LFNprojects together can we define our 2019 TAC KPIs? can you recap what the TAC has accomplished last year so I have a better sense of what we are doing being part of the TAC?
From Me to Everyone: 07:37 AM
From Ed Warnicke to Everyone: 07:43 AM
From Randy Bias to Everyone: 07:43 AM
I vote for Markdown-based approaches and GitHub. Gerrit is incredibly unfriendly.
From Me to Everyone: 07:44 AM
7:43 AM <edwarnicke> #link https://github.com/lfnetworking
From Christian Olrog to Everyone: 07:47 AM
I would propose setting up a github repo sandbox and invite everyone to try Shouldn’t the focus be on issue list / backlog for TAC?
From Ed Warnicke to Everyone: 07:56 AM
From Catherine Lefevre to Everyone: 08:00 AM
ONAP - Christophe Closset and Alexis de Talhouet and Brian Freeman Eric Debeau so 4 people sorry I need to drop
From Brian to Everyone: 08:01 AM
whies is the list of TAC Topics on the github - I must be missing it
From Randy Bias to Everyone: 08:02 AM
Add myself - TF
From Ed Warnicke to Everyone: 08:04 AM
https://github.com/lfnetworking/process/issues/1 Pull request 13709: https://github.com/lfnetworking/process/pull/2
From Brian to Everyone: 08:04 AM
issues isn't display on that page for me ?
From Ed Warnicke to Everyone: 08:05 AM
Brain, looking… Brian, this is the copy paste from my browser bar: https://github.com/lfnetworking/process/issues/1
IRC (Full Log):
15:02:09 <dfarrell07> #startmeeting tac 15:02:09 <collabot`> Meeting started Wed Jan 16 15:02:09 2019 UTC. The chair is dfarrell07. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:02:09 <collabot`> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic. 15:02:09 <collabot`> The meeting name has been set to 'tac' 15:02:14 <dfarrell07> one more time bh526r :) 15:02:19 <dfarrell07> #info TAC members please #info in 15:02:25 <dfarrell07> #info Daniel Farrell for ODL 15:02:27 <Xiaojun> #info Xiaojun Xie 15:02:28 <ttallgren> #info Tapio Tallgren 15:02:34 <bh526r> #info Bin Hu, OPNFV 15:02:46 <r-mibu> #info Ryota Mibu (NEC) 15:02:53 <dfarrell07> #chair phrobb kennypaul 15:02:53 <collabot`> Current chairs: dfarrell07 kennypaul phrobb 15:02:54 <rossella_s> #info Rossella Sblendido 15:02:57 <edwarnicke> #info edwarnicke 15:03:05 <vmbrasseur> #info VM Brasseur 15:03:17 <vmbrasseur> #info Randy Bias 15:05:02 <dfarrell07> #info Brian Freeman, Rajesh Gadiyar and Catherine Lefevre #info into Zoom meeting chat 15:05:17 <dfarrell07> #info phrobb goes over agenda 15:05:28 <dfarrell07> #topic TF induction vote 15:05:51 <dfarrell07> #info 19 of 32 votes have been cast, 17 for, 2 against, passes with 53% 15:06:08 <dfarrell07> #info phrobb et all will take this result to board next week 15:06:18 <dfarrell07> #topic future TAC elections 15:06:37 <dfarrell07> #info at one year of existence, we can decide how to elect a TAC from community 15:07:16 <dfarrell07> #info phrobb asks if we want to go ahead and do this change 15:08:34 <dfarrell07> #info dfarrell07 thinks +1 to go ahead and do 15:08:57 <dfarrell07> #info brian f thinks timing is question, idea is good to do eventually for sue 15:09:00 <dfarrell07> #undo 15:09:00 <collabot`> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeeting.items.Info object at 0x212cad0> 15:09:03 <dfarrell07> #info brian f thinks timing is question, idea is good to do eventually for sure 15:09:34 <dfarrell07> #info ed thinks electing from community will help TAC find direction, make progress 15:09:37 <kennypaul> #info Zygmunt Lozinski proxy for Jason Hunt - IBM 15:10:25 <dfarrell07> #info brain f, catherine l think that TAC is inefficient so far, discussion about composition can help fix this 15:11:28 <kennypaul> #info Wenjing Chu, Huawei 15:11:37 <vmbrasseur> #info Frank B agrees w/Brian & Catherine that changing TAC composition doesn't make sense until there are TAC goals 15:11:39 <dfarrell07> #info ed points out that work TAC can be effective at driving is determined by composition, skills of TAC 15:12:05 <kennypaul> #info Tina Tsou, ARM 15:12:38 <vmbrasseur> #info Brian suggests defer for 2-3 months until the TAC has a better sense of goals 15:12:44 <dfarrell07> #info brain f , ed start to talk about big issues we could/should work on as LFN/TAC 15:13:19 <dfarrell07> #info for example ed talks about infra needing major attention to be more modern, save costs 15:14:06 <dfarrell07> #info frank points out that this is open forum, so if we bring the right topics folks will show up to this discussion 15:14:12 <vmbrasseur> #info Frank suggests TAC should ID topics that span multiple projects 15:14:26 <morgan_orange> +1 15:14:31 <dfarrell07> #info ed points out that community rep in TAC is so small anything that comes from TAC will be top-down push 15:14:56 <morgan_orange> #info morgan richomme 15:15:40 <dfarrell07> #info brian wants to focus on working on issues we think are most pressing first, like LFN IT, and then after doing that, learning lessons, adjust who is in TAC 15:15:41 <vmbrasseur> #info Brian says TAC meeting includes representatives from projects who can pull in others as needed 15:17:06 <dfarrell07> #info ed has huge issue in LFN with getting large budget line item for IT, not being able to get good insight so not able to reduce efficiently, this is what Ed brought to board recently 15:18:06 <dfarrell07> #info brain, phil talk about being supportive, thinking should go off with workgroup and try to learn from others (like CNFC) for what we could do better in LFN 15:20:51 <kennypaul> #info Sebastian Zechlin, DT 15:28:26 * dfarrell07 fails to take notes for a bit, oops 15:28:32 <vmbrasseur> #info Group decided to defer the TAC membership question for a couple of months as it starts "to work on meaty things" 15:29:10 <kennypaul> #Agreed - table TAC composition for 2 months to work on "more meaty things". 15:30:19 <vmbrasseur> Thanks, kennypaul. 15:32:07 <kennypaul> #action edwarnicke to add infrastructure topic to the TAC topic list 15:33:01 <kennypaul> #info discussion over git vs. gerrit 15:33:34 <morgan_orange> github (or gitlab) versus gerrit...git is fine :) 15:34:44 <ttallgren> +1 for upgrading the documentation system 15:37:02 <morgan_orange> #info edwarnicke suggetss to move TAC discussions from gerrit to github 15:37:12 <kennypaul> https://wiki.lfnetworking.org/pages/resumedraft.action?draftId=10551857&draftShareId=f154e8d8-6a66-4ea6-be99-c69313121b4c 15:39:54 <morgan_orange> #info Catherine asks what would be the role of this github: collect minutes? 15:41:56 <ttallgren> Was there anything else except comparing Markdown vs rst vs readthedocs ? 15:42:08 <ttallgren> Was there anything else on the agenda except comparing Markdown vs rst vs readthedocs ? 15:43:29 <edwarnicke> #link https://github.com/lfnetworking 15:45:27 <vmbrasseur> #info edwarnicke says collaboration tooling changes are necessary if the TAC is going to get to those meaty things. Requirement to use Gerrit is blocking collaboration. 15:47:01 <kennypaul> #action edwarnicke tnadeau to migrate existing TAC docs to git. 15:48:30 <zxiiro-away> Sorry had to drop the call but I would be interested in participating in the working group if one got created. 15:49:00 <zxiiro-away> Regarding investigating CI stuff 15:50:13 <phrobb> #info zxiiro-away volunteers to be on the workgroup evaluating a change to CI for projects 15:55:42 <edwarnicke> #link https://github.com/lfnetworking/process <- repo moved 15:56:09 <phrobb> #info phrobb asks how best to proceed to evaluate new CI tooling - Shall we have each LFN project go back to their TSCs and describe this TAC effort, and it's goals, and solicit individuals intimate with each project's use of the tooling to help in this workgroup. A roadmap for investigation of the tools and it's impact on each project are first steps, followed by potential methods of transitioning to the new tool chains for each project as 15:56:09 <phrobb> each will be different. 16:00:31 <zxiiro-away> I think the hardest question is how to support projects that require hardware labs. 16:03:00 <edwarnicke> #link https://github.com/lfnetworking/process/issues/1 <- github issue for listing folks to participate 16:03:15 <morgan_orange> zxiiro-away: +1 and share best practices on CI/CD. 16:04:59 <kennypaul> #action workgroup on project tooling edwarnicke, Trevor B, RandyBias , Mark Berierl, Christophe Closset 16:04:59 <kennypaul> and Alexis de Talhouet 16:04:59 <kennypaul> and Brian Freeman 16:04:59 <kennypaul> Eric Debeau 16:05:14 <edwarnicke> #link https://github.com/lfnetworking/process/pull/2 <- pr request for 13709 16:06:05 <kennypaul> #action dfarrell07 will solicit input for ODL participation. 16:06:33 <zxiiro-away> kennypaul: and zxiiro? :) 16:07:15 <kennypaul> #action add zxiiro-away to workgroup on infra 16:07:25 <kennypaul> #endmeeting