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Ed Warnicke recommending changi= ng because newer tools are available
https://github.com/lfnetworking/process/issue= s/1
Meeting on Friday.
Bin Hu mentions that OPNFV is also= looking at tools
Discussion regarding the tools to use.
Chaker mentions issues with ease of use and access issues such as being = blocked by
How-To guide for IRC: https://op= ensource.com/article/16/6/irc-quickstart-guide
Having an assigned secretary ?
Tapio Tallgren past= minutes hard to follow - clear need to account for decisions and votes
Ed Warnicke suggests that at th= e least the LF captures the votes and decisions.
Kenny Paul Q: any easy way = to find content across IRC minutes? Daniel Farrell doable, but not "easy" using curl + grep= p>
Ed Warnicke suggest discussion= be tabled
user-20f1f reminds folks that Mazin is still the TAC re= p and that Mazin isn't a member of the TAC anymore
There has not been formal decision from the board on the Community Panel= . Strategy Council work is also a work-in-progress and no recommendat= ion has been provided
Tapio Tallgren reco= mmends opening the nominations for TAC rep
Vote taken -
Agreed: the TAC shall open a call for nominations for a= temporary TAC rep starting ASAP.
dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell #start=
meeting tac
7:00 AM
7:00 AM Us=
eful Commands: #action #agreed #help&=
nbsp;#info #idea #link #topic.
7:00 AM =E2=
=80=A2collabot` set the topic: (Meeti=
ng topic: tac)
7:00 AM C<=E2=80=A2collabot`>&=
nbsp;col=
labot The meeting name has been =
set to 'tac'
7:01 AM
7:01 AM=
span> #info Daniel Farrell =
for ODL
7:01 AM #chair edwarnicke frankbrockners kennypa=
ul pcarver phrobb vmbrasseur zxiiro tykeal
7:01 AM=
C<=E2=
=80=A2collabot`> collabot Cu=
rrent chairs: dfarrell07 edwarnicke frankbrockners kennypaul pcarver phrobb=
tykeal vmbrasseur zxiiro
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/span>@info Jason Hunt, IBM
7:02 AM
7:02 AM J
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V<vmbrasseur>
7:02 AM #info VMBrasseur, Juni=
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M<mbuil=
> Manuel Buil #info Manuel Buil, SUSE (proxy for Rossella)
7:04 =
AM 7:=
05 AM
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ichomme Orange
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7:05 AM V<vmbrasseur>=
; VM Brasseur #info Chaker Al-Hakim, ONAP
7:06 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell thanks vmbrasseur :)
7:06 AM #info=
vmbrasseur is copying in #infos=
from Zoom chat for people not on IRC
7:06 AM
7:06 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
span>vmbrasseur: w00t, glad t=
o have you here :D
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span>K<kenn=
ypaul> Kenny Paul #info Tapio Tallgre=
n, Nokia
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K<=
span>kennypaul>&nb=
sp;Kenny=
Paul #info Chaker Al-Hakim, ONAP
7:07 AM D<=
/span><dfarrel=
l07> Daniel Farrell =E2=80=A2collabot` set the topic: tooling (Meeting topic: tac)=
7:07 AM<=
/span> T<ttallgren>&n=
bsp;Tapi=
o Tallgren #info Tapio Tallgren, Nokia
7:07 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
span>#info ed=
suggests looking at some other tooling options that might be cheaper and p=
rovide better dev experience
7:07 AM V<vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur&nbs=
p;dfarrell07: ^5
7:07 AM T<ttallgren> Tapio Tallgren t=
his i samzing punching beg for me i had before it was not good this is amaz=
ing it can test your reflects and is really easy to use and step as onyl th=
ing you can to do put some air and your ready to go without any issues the =
thing that i really like is if i am not using i can put it back and it wont=
take any space.
7:08 AM this i samzing punching beg for me =
i had before it was not good this is amazing it can test your reflects and =
is really easy to use and step as onyl thing you can to do put some air and=
your ready to go without any issues the thing that i really like is if i a=
m not using i can put it back and it wont take any space.
=
7:08 AM #undo#undo
<=
span class=3D"date" style=3D"color: rgb(170,170,170);">7:08 AM E<edwarnicke> Ed Warnicke #link https://=
github.com/lfnetworking/process/issues/1
7:09 AM T<ttallgren> Tapio Tallgren&nb=
sp;Sorry, copy-pasted from some web p=
age
V=
span><vmbrasseu=
r> VM Brasseur #info Infra kick off m=
eeting tomorrow 8AM Pacific time
7:09 AM =
;K<kennypaul> Kenny Paul #info&n=
bsp;Tina Tsou, ARM
7:09 AM C<=
=E2=80=A2CaseyLF> Casey Minor=
correction.
7:09 AM V<vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur #info Correc=
tion: Meeting is on Friday, not tomorrow
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D=
<dfarrell07>=
; Daniel Farrell #info bh526r mentions that OPNFV is also looking=
at tooling changes, will make sure to stay in sync with these discussions<=
/span>
7:12 AM #info ed gives examples of CI tooling like packet.ne=
t vs Jenkins
7:13 AM<=
/span> #info CaseyLF will send out=
email with invite to infra meeting on friday
7:13 AM #topic=
a> taking better minutes
7:13 AM =
=
=E2=80=A2collabot` set the topic: taking be=
tter minutes (Meeting topic: tac)D=
<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell #info CaseyLF points ou=
t that there are quite a few people who don't take part in IRC backchannel,=
which makes meeting a bit split
7:14 AM C<CristinaPauna> Cristina Pauna =
span>#info&=
nbsp;Cristina Pauna
7:14 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
#info ed suggests we look at what CNF=
C is doing and copy that
7:15 AM #info dfarrell07 thinks=
they are mostly using GDocs, live editing during meetings
7:15 AM <=
span class=3D"message">#info gdocs isn't great for us because blocked in China :(=
7:15 AM<=
/span> K<kennypaul> Kenny Paul #link https://wiki.lfnetworking.o=
rg/pages/resumedraft.action?draftId=3D10552006&draftShareId=3D290c9969-=
162d-4837-a8cd-3dc057c23b81&src=3Dshareui&src.shareui.timestamp=3D1=
548861287687
7:15 AM confluence mins for this meeting
7:15 AM=
D<=
dfarrell07>&=
nbsp;Dan=
iel Farrell #info CaseyLF suggest confluence tool kinda like GDocs, e=
dwarnicke has some experience with it and doesn't like
7:16 AM #info main problem is just getting people =
engaging with IRC, as it seems to actually be best tool7:17 AM=
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7:18 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell #info&nbs=
p;dfarrell07 and vmbrasseur seem to think that it might not be tooling, mig=
ht be mostly people-problem
7:18 AM=
span> #info dfarrell07 thin=
ks general strategy of experimenting with "new idea A" to see if "silent gr=
oup B" will move to "new idea A" could work well here, and likely we will f=
ind that "silent group B" will remain silent
7:19 AM V&l=
t;vmbrasseur>=
span> VM Brasseur #vmbrasseur asks folks on call but not IRC to sh=
are reasons why not
7:19 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
#info kennypaul asks people on call w=
hy they don't use IRC
7:19 AM<=
/span> #undo
7:19 AM =
C<=E2=80=A2collabot`<=
/span>> collabot Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.ircmeet=
ing.items.Info object at 0x22c1210>
7:19 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
span>#info vm=
brasseur asks folks on call who are not using IRC why they aren't
7:19 AM V<=
span class=3D"g"><vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur #info Chaker says for him it's that=
he's not familiar w/IRC so falls back to what he knows7:19 AM=
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span> D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell #info first person just want super s=
imple tool with basically no learning curve
7:20 AM #info =
;might be some internal networking restrictions blocking IRC (which is very=
rough for contributing upstream dfarrell07 thinks)
7:22 AM
<=
span class=3D"date">7:22 AM
7:22 AM V<vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur =
span>#link&=
nbsp;https://opensource.com/article/16/6=
/irc-quickstart-guide
7:22 AM #info Casey suggesting trial run of Confluence wiki
7:24 AM #info dfarrell07 Sugges=
ts companies that can't access IRC via VPN then it will also be a roadblock=
to contributing to open source. TAC should work w/those companies to remov=
e the roadblock on their side.
7:26 AM =
=E2=86=92 fdegir joine=
d (~55e41a57@77.81.7.53)
7:26 AM =
V<vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur =
#link http://webchat.freenode.net/?channe=
ls=3D%23lfn-meeting
7:26 AM D<=
span class=3D"g"><dfarrell07
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7:27 AM T<ttallgren> Tapio Tallgren&nb=
sp;The companies could have security =
rules that prevent access to IRC. I need to use tsocks for irc access
7:27 AM&nb=
sp;D<
7:27 AM Z<=
span>zxiiro>&nb=
sp;Thanh=
Ha wechat and irccloud are web =
based so should get by those.
7:28 AM =
webchat*
7:28 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell=
+1 zxiiro T<ttallgren>
7:29 AM&nb=
sp;D<
7:30 AM V<=
span class=3D"g"><vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur Because it's pretty darn great. :)
=
=
7:31 AM D<dfarrell07=
> Daniel Farrell #action CaseyLF to=
start sending out direct link to web-based (webchat.freenode) IRC client i=
n each meeting invite
7:31 AM
7:32 AM<=
/span> V<vmbrasseur> VM Brasseur My friends who've tried the new bouncer functionality says it's solid.=
They like it.
7:32 AM<=
span class=3D"g"> D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell #info should we have a secretary?<=
/span>
7:33 AM =
;#info ttallgren points out that for many past meetings w=
e had horrible minutes and we ended up with questions about "what did we de=
cide" with no clear answer
7:34 AM T<=
/span><ttallgr=
en> Tapio Tallgren :-)
7:37 AM=
D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell #info discussion about who would=
want to be secretary, no one self nominates
7:37 AM #info=
discussion about if we need minutes, as in write down what we are tal=
king about, vs making sure votes/decisions are doc'd
7:40 AM #info=
LF staff tracks all votes in a spreadsheet (I think to make sure =
people's votes count, based on attendance)
7:41 AM #info =
CaseyLF points out that just having more people engaging on IRC will be a b=
ig help in making sure we have all the ideas in discussion captured<=
/span>
7:43 AM =
;#info kennypaul asks about how to search in minutes logs=
, dfarrell07 says not a great way but he curls/greps
7:43 AM <=
span class=3D"avatar letterAvatar letterAvatar--internal hasUserParent c9" =
style=3D"color: rgb(255,255,255);">V&=
lt;vmbrasseur><=
/span> VM Brasseur #info kennypaul asks whether there's an easy way to =
search IRC meeting logs. CaseyLF doesn't think so, dfarrell07 says logs are=
always grep-able
7:44 AM #info=
CaseyLF points out kennypaul has been cut/pasting IRC logs into Confl=
uence for easy searchability
7:44 AM #action CaseyLF will send out email for further discussion=
on secretary role
7:45 AM
7:45 AM
7:46 AM #info=
zxiiro adds "meetings should be searchable on Google too, admittedly =
requires some google knowledge. For example: site:meetings.open=
daylight.org odl ddf"
7:46 A=
M zxiiro: you know not to be shy ;)<=
/span>7:=
47 AM <=
span class=3D"authorWrap">Z<zxiiro=
> Thanh Ha :)
7:47 AM D&l=
t;dfarrell07><=
/span> Daniel Farrell #info phrobb provides summary of discussion about =
tac chair, our recommendation to board
#info mazi=
n is current TAC rep to Board but isn't even on the TAC anymore :(=
span>
7:48 AM =
#info CaseyLF asks if we should appoint a new temporary T=
AC rep to Board
7:48 AM=
#info edwarnicke points out that =
if Board will feedback to us quickly and resolve this, we can just go that =
route. if will take a long time, might need temp rep
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7:51 AM =
#info edwarnicke suggests we hold on this decision (new t=
mp tac rep?) until we get some answers from board
7:52 AM #info ttallgren suggests we do find a new tmp tac rep, start that process,=
open nominations
7:55 AM P<phrobb> Phil Robb #startvote&n=
bsp;Shall the TAC kickoff the TAC Representative to the Board election proc=
ess to start ASAP? -1, 0, +1
7:55 AM =
C<=E2=80=A2collabot`> collabot Begin voting=
on: Shall the TAC kickoff the TAC Representative to the Board election pro=
cess to start ASAP? Valid vote options are -1, 0, +1. Vote using '#vote OPTION'. Only you=
r last vote counts.
7:55 AM T<=
/span><ttallgren> Tapio Tallgren #vote +17:55 AM P<phrobb> Phil Robb #endvote
7:55 AM C<=E2=
=80=A2collabot`> collabot Vo=
ted on "Shall the TAC kickoff the TAC Representative to the Board election =
process to start ASAP?" Results are
7:55 AM&n=
bsp;+1 (1): ttallgre=
n
7:56 AM D<=
span>dfarrell07> =
Daniel Farrell #startvote Shall the TAC open a call for nominati=
ons for a temporary TAC rep starting ASAP? -1, 0, +1
7:56 AM
7:56 AM=
Vote using '#vote O=
PTION'. Only your last vote counts.
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span class=3D"timestamp" title=3D"Wednesday, January 30, 2019 7:56:32 AM">7=
:56 AM =
D<dfarrell07<=
/span>> Daniel Farrell #vote +!
7:56 AM=
C<=
span>=E2=80=A2collabot`> collabot =
dfarrell07: +! is not a v=
alid option. Valid options are -1, 0, +1.
7:56 AM V<=
span>vmbrasseur> V=
M Brasseur #vote +1
7:56 AM D<=
span class=3D"g"><dfarrell07
7:56 AM
7:56 AM J<JasonHunt
7:56 AM M<mbuil> Manuel Buil #vote +1 B<bh526r> Bin Hu #vote +1
<=
span class=3D"date" style=3D"color: rgb(170,170,170);">7:56 AM
7:57 AM =
;
7:57 AM T<ttallgren> Tapio Tallgren&nb=
sp;#vote=
+1
7:57 AM =
K<kennypaul=
> Kenny Paul #vote +17:57 AM P<phrobb> Phil Robb #vote +1
7:57 AM C<=
span>=E2=80=A2CaseyLF> Casey #vote +1 (Cha=
kar Al-Hakim)
7:57 AM E<edwarnicke> Ed Warnicke #vote 0
7:58 AM=
D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell
7:58 AM K<kennypaul> Kenny Paul #info my vore proxy for Wenjing Chui=
span>
7:59 AM Z=
<zxiiro> Thanh Ha #vote +1 (tnadeau)
7:59 AM
7:59 AM&nb=
sp;Z<
7:59 AM #info&nb=
sp;proxy for tnadeau
7:59 AM
7:59 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
span>zxiiro: yeah, that's wha=
t I expected, idk why casey's worked
7:59 AM&=
nbsp;C<=
=E2=80=A2Ca=
seyLF> Casey #info Voted for (Chakar =
Al-Hakim)
7:59 AM
7:59 AM D=
<dfarrell07
7:59 AM
7:59 AM 0 (1): edw=
arnicke
7:59 AM +1 (11): kennypaul, bh526r, phrobb, vmbrasse=
ur, JasonHunt, dfarrell07=
span>, zxiiro, eraolro, ttallgren, davide_Vodafone, mbuil> Thanh Ha
8:00 AM D<=
span class=3D"g"><dfarrell07
=
8:00 AM K<kennypaul>=
span> Kenny Paul #info Quorum for meeting is 12.73 membersd
8:01 AM=
#From tnadeau to Everyon=
e: 07:57 AM
8:01 AM +1
8:01 AM From Dhananj=
ay Pavgi to Everyone: 07:57 AM
8:01 AM =
+1
=
8:01 AM #info vote ?+1 from tnadeau
8:01 AM K<=
span>kennypaul>&nb=
sp;Kenny=
Paul #info vote +1 from Dhananjay Pavgi\
8:01 AM D<dfarrell07> Daniel Farrell =
span>kennypaul: I'll let you #endmeeting whenever you're ready =
:)
8:02 AM K<kennypaul
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K<kennypaul> Kenny Paul =
#endmeeting